Siabella Testifies About Lying Cops

Interviewer:                         Welcome to Punished 4 Protecting. I'm here today with my guest; this is a second interview, with Sia Kentworthy. Did I say that right?

Sia:                                              Yes.

Interviewer:                         And we're going to continue a little bit on from where we were last time, when I interviewed your dad and yourself, because I've had some questions. The first question I had was, on July 1 2016, do you recall the time when the retired Deputy Chief of Police, Robert Martin, and I think you guys know him as...?

Sia:                                              Bobby.

Interviewer:                         Bobby. So you know him. He also, at the time, was the home owner and your landlord in a duplex house, meaning top and bottom, and you guys live on the bottom floor.

Sia:                                              Yes.

Interviewer:                         So, he comes in and he's threatening your dad, according to your dad, with his gun.

Sia:                                              He's actually threatening him outside of the front door.

Interviewer:                         Okay, he's outside of the front door. So, did you see his gun at that point, or...?

Sia:                                              Yes.

Interviewer:                         You did?

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         So, now, where are you and your brother and your mom at this point?

Sia:                                              My mom was in her room but she kept coming out to the living room to keep taking us away because she didn't want us to see him threatening my dad.

Interviewer:                         Okay. So, this man is now... he's a retired Deputy Chief of Police.

Sia:                                              Yes.

Interviewer:                         And he's threatening your dad, as the home owner, with his gun...

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         ...which is mind blowing to me. So, you live in a residential neighborhood?

Sia:                                              I don't know what a residential...

Interviewer:                         What that means? Just a neighborhood where there's no businesses or stores around; more houses and...

Sia:                                              Oh, yeah.

Interviewer:                         Is it a fairly quiet neighborhood, or...?

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         Are guns something that is normal in your neighborhood?

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         Okay. So, here's this man threatening your dad with a gun. Did you hear anything else? Did you hear yelling or...?

Sia:                                              Not too much because I can't really hear through the windows.

Interviewer:                         And your mom's trying to protect you from this.

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         How was that making you feel?

Sia:                                              Really afraid. I didn't know if he was going to use his gun at all, and I didn't want anything to happen to my dad.

Interviewer:                         Yeah, of course not. Now, this is something that, sadly, at this time you're nine, right?

Sia:                                              Yes.

Interviewer:                         When this is occurring? So, you guys are kind of used to stuff like this due to your mom and dad being whistle blowers.

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         But still it's not comfortable for a nine year old kid, right? It wouldn't be comfortable for me, so I can't imagine your dad and your mom. So, now we go a couple of days later. Seven days later, here on July 8th.

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         And it looks like it was around 10:00 o'clock in the morning. Were you awake, do you remember, this day with the banging?

Sia:                                              Yes.

Interviewer:                         You do.

Sia:                                              I was awake, but the woman upstairs; she was the one that got me out of bed.

Interviewer:                         Because she's banging now.

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         She's banging on your front door or banging on the wall?

Sia:                                              She's banging on the front... well, yeah, the front door.

Interviewer:                         Okay.

Sia:                                              And she's like, “I'm on the phone with the cops."

Interviewer:                         Okay, so she's... and she's banging and you hear this.

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         And you were just, what, sitting in your room or something?

Sia:                                              Yeah, I was sitting in my and my brother's room, watching TV.

Interviewer:                         Okay, so did you come out when you heard this banging?

Sia:                                              Yes.

Interviewer:                         And what was her beef? What was her deal? Why was she slamming on your door... banging on your door like this?

Sia:                                              I don't know.

Interviewer:                         Is she friendly with the retired Deputy Chief of Police, Bobby?

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         She's friendly with him? So, she shows up at your house, she's banging at 10:00 o'clock in the morning. You're startled.

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         And where's your little brother at this point?

Sia:                                              My little brother's asleep.

Interviewer:                         He's sleeping.

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         Excuse me. And then... do you know why she's there? Do you have any idea, or what she's doing?

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         Because it says something about the police shows up now?

Sia:                                              Yes, like a few minutes later, the police shows up.

Interviewer:                         Okay.

Sia:                                              And they think that my mom and dad are fighting, and me and my mom kept telling them, “No, they weren't fighting."

Interviewer:                         Okay, so your mom is where now, at this point when the police come? She goes out?

Sia:                                              Yes.

Interviewer:                         And your dad comes out, or...?

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         They're all in their rooms, or been in their rooms; they come out, except your brother.

Sia:                                              Yeah, there's a hallway and we were all in the hallway, and we kept telling them that nothing was going on.

Interviewer:                         Nobody was fighting.

Sia:                                              Yeah. And then the-

Interviewer:                         Did they leave because the whole family's saying nobody's fighting?

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         Was there some yelling and screaming going on, that she would call the police and bang on the door.

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         No?

Sia:                                              No, nothing.

Interviewer:                         You wouldn't know; you were in the house?

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         10:00 o'clock in the morning; it wasn't 6:00 AM. No yelling, no screaming.

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         They come, the police show up. So they must've left, right?

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         No, they didn't leave? What did they do?

Sia:                                              They arrested my dad.

Interviewer:                         For what?

Sia:                                              They...

Interviewer:                         Was your mother beaten up?

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         Was there marks on her?

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         Was she crying?

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         Were you crying?

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         So they arrested your dad and took him off?

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         I'm floored. And how did that make you feel, as a nine year old kid?

Sia:                                              I was worried if my dad wasn't going to come back, but like an hour later my mom got him out.

Interviewer:                         She did get him out.

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         And again, it's just unbelievable. Wow. So, is there anything else that maybe you need to tell the viewing audience? You've been through so much.

Sia:                                              There was this one time when in Belleville.

Interviewer:                         In Belleville?

Sia:                                              Yeah, Belleville. In a public school. I was taken out of the class and I was playing in this smaller room. There was a table, then there was a woman in front of me and a woman in the back of me, and they were both division workers.

Interviewer:                         Division workers?

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         Okay. So, they brought you out of class. This is public school?

Sia:                                              They didn't take me out of class. The teacher got a call from the principal. He told me to come downstairs.

Interviewer:                         Wow, so you must've had an attorney present because you're not legally allowed to have anybody come talk to you without an attorney present?

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         No? And you were nine years old.

Sia:                                              Yes.

Interviewer:                         Do you remember approximately when that was, or...?

Sia:                                              I don't exactly know what day it was, but what happened was they kept asking me, "To the best of your ability, where were you at the time," and...

Interviewer:                         The time of...?

Sia:                                              The time of after my mom died.

Interviewer:                         Okay, so the time of your mother's death at school.

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         No, after your mother's death.

Sia:                                              And they kept asking me, like, where we are, where we were living, and what we were going to do, and I didn't tell them anything.

Interviewer:                         And you didn't tell them anything because you're used to being constantly nagged?

Sia:                                              Yeah, and it was scary.

Interviewer:                         And it was scary for you?

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         I can't imagine being nine years old, being taken out of class, and being sent to a room with two... Did you ever meet these people before?

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         Two complete strangers. Were they women or men?

Sia:                                              Women.

Interviewer:                         Two women.

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         Did you feel comfortable with them?

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         Did you feel...? How did you feel?

Sia:                                              Afraid and I felt uncomfortable. It was a small room, so...

Interviewer:                         Even more confining.

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         And this is after your mom's death?

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         So you're already dealing with all of this, and you're grieving.

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         And now you've got these two strangers taking you out of class, which the school should be really held responsible for allowing you to go into a room with two strangers; I don't care who they are, without an attorney present, because it's your legal right. Are you aware of that?

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         I figured with all that your parents have taught you. Now you're here and you're in this confined little small setting with two strangers questioning you. Where were they standing? Were they in front of you? Did they bow down to your level?

Sia:                                              They were in the front and the back.

Interviewer:                         One was behind you?

Sia:                                              Yes. There was one sitting down by the table right there, and one behind me, and then-

Interviewer:                         Behind you?

Sia:                                              ...I was sitting right there.

Interviewer:                         Was that person behind you sitting or standing?

Sia:                                              Standing.

Interviewer:                         Wow. Yeah, that's a little intimidating.

Sia:                                              And...

Interviewer:                         So, you couldn't make eye contact with the one that was behind you?

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         They're standing behind you?

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative). And in Catholic school what they would do is, the principal would go in with... in the room with you while a division worker come, but in public school you would just go in there with two strangers, or one, how many.

Interviewer:                         Yeah, that's... I would not allow it. So, none of your teachers, no familiar faces in this room that you're in?

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         And of course now you're very scared and you're not knowing what's about to happen. How long did this interrogation process take?

Sia:                                              I'd say about 15, 20 minutes.

Interviewer:                         That's a pretty long time.

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         In two seconds, I think, I would not be very happy as a parent to know this. So, I know that... and I'm very sorry for the death of your mom.

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         And all that you guys have been through as kids. It's nothing that any child should ever go through for one second. But you... when your mom passed away, it was actually August 17.

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         17.

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         The year 17, right?

Sia:                                              No, the year 16.

Interviewer:                         16. Okay, I'm sorry.

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         So, we've got July 1 '16, you've got this threatening home owner, landlord, Deputy Chief of Police who's retired, with his gun, threatening your dad.

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         Okay. Then you've got, on July 8 '16, you've got the police pounding at your... you've got this mother, or woman upstairs, pounding on your door.

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         And making up false allegations, and the police coming in New Jersey and actually arresting your dad. And then, a month later, actually less that two month's later; August 17th, you have your mom... the situation with your mom.

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         Were you there during this?

Sia:                                              No.

Interviewer:                         You were not there, thank God.

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         But then got the news.

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         And I don't know if you want to share a little bit about that, or...?

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         You do?

Sia:                                              That night, I was up for a little bit because I was worried if they were going to come back or not, and what happened was, like, around... I'd say about 2:00ish, becoming 3:00 in the morning, I heard my grandma and grandpa, like, in the room right beside and I was in this room. And what happened was I heard on the phone that she couldn't breathe.

Interviewer:                         That who couldn't breathe? Your mom?

Sia:                                              My mom, yeah. I didn't know if she was dead or not, then, but I was awake till 6:00 AM because I was worried, and I slept for, like, two hours and woke up at 8:00. And it was about an hour later, they came back, and I kept asking them where mommy was, and... Well, after I saw she wasn't there I kind of knew that she was dead.

Interviewer:                         So, your parents had you staying at your grandma's house?

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         When this happened. And do you recall any threats against your mom, or any...? I guess the way to ask this, because I requested you to come back to do more of this interview because there are so many parts to this interview.

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         There's so much to this story, actually, is what I'm saying.

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         That a lot of question, I think, in any thinking, logical mind... keep sitting here thinking about wanting to ask you more about what you've been through as a kid, what your little brother has been through, and then this death of your mom with all these threats, was there anything that... and I know you're-

Interviewer:                         Your mom's life could've been saved and wasn't handled properly. I mean, I know you weren't actually technically there but just from what you witnessed as a kid, as a child, and the way it made you feel with all the negligence and with all the threats; do you feel like anything could've been done to save your mom?

Sia:                                              Yes, I do. I asked my dad that question once, and he said it was either him that was going to die that night, or her.

Interviewer:                         So, that's... there's reason he says that, though?

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         Because of the threats that your family had been put under for so long.

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         So, talking about your mom, though, since this whole process, you guys have had to move?

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         This actually happened at the same home with this landlord, right?

Sia:                                              Yes.

Interviewer:                         And, yeah, I pretty much think you answered that question. I think that's up to the discretion of the viewers. We'll kind of leave it at that. But where does this leave you, as a child, right now, with this whole process of...?

Sia:                                              Well, life feels different now because I feel... I think about my future, like, what it's going to be like without her. How my dad's going to have to spend his life alone when I get married and I leave, and he's just going to be alone by himself. I think he doesn't have someone there to be there with him.

Interviewer:                         What about you? What about how you could...?

Sia:                                              Maybe, like...

Interviewer:                         What about your mom?

Sia:                                              Like, all the time I spent with her, I don't get to spend with her any more.

Interviewer:                         Can we get some tissues for her?

Interviewer:                         [inaudible 00:14:02]. So, you have been, not just enduring all this abuse because of the work that your parents do, but now you've had to deal with the death of your mom. Thank you. The death of your mom. Have you had a chance to properly grieve, do you think, the death of your mom? Do you know what that means, actually?

Sia:                                              Yes.

Interviewer:                         Have you had that opportunity or have you guys just been having to deal with this constant abuse from New Jersey officials?

Sia:                                              Yeah, it's [crosstalk 00:14:30] because of the abuse.

Interviewer:                         Yeah. And now you're only 10, right?

Sia:                                              Turning 11 this year.

Interviewer:                         What?

Sia:                                              Turning 11 this year.

Interviewer:                         Turning 11. When is your birthday?

Sia:                                              April 20th.

Interviewer:                         April. So, now I know we just passed Christmas and I know that was very difficult for you, too. I have no words other than I try to get these stories out for people to understand that this is happening to real people, and that people who are supposed to be in positions of power and authority, that are public servants... do you understand what that is?

Sia:                                              Yeah.

Interviewer:                         Are not supposed to abuse families. I want to give you a hug, though. I can tell you that you've been through way too much at 10 years old. How is your brother holding up? How is he? How's...?

Sia:                                              He's kind of... It's hard for him because he has a different relationship with her than I have.

Interviewer:                         Than you, yeah. Your mom and you would pretty much spend all the time together and...?

Sia:                                              Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:                         So, he's over here, but how old is your brother now?

Sia:                                              He's seven.

Interviewer:                         He's seven, so this happened to him when he was five, right?

Sia:                                              No, six.

Interviewer:                         So, he's going on eight?

Sia:                                              Yes.

Interviewer:                         Excuse me. I don't know if there's anything else you want to share at this point, or...? We just want to make these stories very clear to the world, to know especially how this affects the lives of children, and it's affecting the lives of kids all over the place.

Sia:                                              No, I don't have anything to add.

Interviewer:                         Okay. I want to thank you again for your story today. I appreciate you talking about this and I know it's not... I know it's a tough subject, and I know it's not easy for you to talk about, but I thank you very much.

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